Mandy and I just finished Matrix Revolutions. Interesting end to a movie trilogy. We can't figure out the overall message of the entire series, though. It seems to be chock full of postmodernist thought/futilism, yet the ending intimates that man has to make the choice to believe. This seems somewhat odd, since postmodernist thought seeks to tear down the idea of "monolithic universals" in favor of "fractured, fluid, and multiple perspectives." Belief in Neo, The One, becomes the hope for people faced with an insurmountable, implacable foe. This doesn't sound very "fractured" or "fluid" to me.
Anyone else want to take a stab at this? I'm kinda in the dark, and probably in over my head too.
Note: my quotations come from the wikipedia article on postmodernism.
Posted by Gabriel at October 1, 2004 10:43 PMI'm glad that such dichotemies are surfacing :-)
Man knows, by design and through the teleological arguement, that there must be an absolute force responsible for all things. There has to have been a great Cause to all that is. And after a big knot of syllogisms we would find that that Cause is personal and that we are morally responsible to Him. Postmodernism flagrantly defies that logic with the illogical assumption that there is no truth. Well, the truth is that God created us to know Him. As long as there is life in a human he will search for that absolute, whether he will admit it or not.
That's the beauty of postmodernism. A postmodernist's heart and mind are a blank slate. You don't have to teach them that Mohamed wasn't inspired. You don't have to show them that agnosticism is a logical fallacy. You can tell them that the truth exists, that deep down they know they yearn for a rock to stand on (because the human heart itself is no foundation for moral systems). And then introduce them to Christ.
There thousands out there looking for an answer. Some of them just happen to make movies.
Posted by: timf at October 2, 2004 12:38 AMunfortunately i cannot help b/c i am not allowed to watch R rated movies at the moment. perhaps if i take another plane trip in the near future...
Posted by: gwen at October 2, 2004 01:15 AMTo tell you the truth, I'd have to see it again before I could really engage in any meaningful conversation. It's been awhile.
Posted by: micah at October 2, 2004 02:56 AMthis is not in any way the intelligent interaction you asked for. it's just a comment about the movie.
my wife and i could not believe the amazing plethora of messianic images in this last one. the first one hinted at some messianic realities, but man alive the last one was replete with it! the "crucifixion" scene came complete with the crucifixion position and a statement from the machines that it was fitting for one man to die for all. that's just one small example. the messianic idea was everywhere and was extremely winsome.
i was wondering how much the writers did intentionally. how much did they realize what they were saying or borrowing from? i'd say the message was clearly one of hope and the triumph of the One for all, even those who did not believe and who opposed him, which indeed does not fit the post-modern paradigm as i think of it.
Posted by: david at October 2, 2004 02:40 PMI read an article quite a while back about how many people were using the Matrix idea as sort of a "foot in the door" to witnessing, but the article explained how the Wachowski brothers borrowed ideas from practically every popular religion or belief. They did it to reach a bigger audience--a way so everyone could come away w/ something. Are there some ideas of the One dying for mankind? Sure, but with the lives of the brothers brought into play, there's absolutely no way they have any idea of what they were talking about. It's a nice idea to appreciate seeing some of our beliefs placed infront of the public, but the public is definitely not going to come away from something like the Matrix with the least amount of question about life, eternity, and God. Maybe I'm just a bit pessimistic about this, but I don't think that media such as this, or anything else that borrows from Christianity, could ever contribute to one's beliefs or coming to find beliefs. I'm not even sure some Christian movies do that.
Now, Veggie Tales, that stuff is just cool! :-)
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